If you missed yesterday’s chat, you can find it here. But without further ado… I think I might have been on it for four to six months, as I remember. We were a long way into the vehicle design for instance, so we had conceived of the biggest road vehicle ever made for the fire engines. There’s this massive thing, we’d got a long way into that. We were in this holding pattern of where we were going to shoot, and the locations were going to be dependent on that. We went to Australia and tested out for locations. But in the end, I think it was as simple as the fact that the studio wanted Mel Gibson to be the lead actor as well as the director, and he didn’t want to do it. And when he ultimately didn’t want to be the lead, it fell apart, as these things sometimes too. No. We were in conceptual. We were doing creature design and vehicle design, and the kind of more complicated pitch things. But we didn’t go as deep into it as some of these films. There were a string of films that I did back-to-back that, for some reason, didn’t make it to the screen, which tends to happen. You tend to start a long way pre-greenlight and you never know if all the parts will come together. I had heard that it was going to, but not for a couple of years now. What I thought was interesting, and I’m not a fan of remakes, but if you take the metaphor of books and apply it to today – web-based information, and look at how relevant it is in the context of the assault of information we’re in the middle of and the way that we are controlled in terms of freedom of speech – it’s very relevant and a good film to remake. It could be a very smart, intelligent political thriller. For that reason there’s every chance that it could come back. You know, Kavalier & Clay is the one film that was a great loss for me that I got very close to making that I really hope they put back on the table. A wonderful project. It’s a Michael Chabon book, but it’s based around comic book artists in World War II, and it somewhat parallels the development of Superman, the two Jewish kids who started growing a superhero and it turned into Superman. But it’s an entirely fictional story, a really fantastic, rich novel. Stephen Daldry was set to direct it and we were six weeks away from the start of production when they shut it down. It was too complicated. It’s often a question of audience, in some of these films it’s not always clear who the audience is, and people get a little nervous. We were a few weeks away from pre-production. That’s the development phase. The lot of the designing is really locked in the first three months of development. Can I ask how Upside Down is going, because that looks fascinating? It’s imagining a sort of magical realism fairy tale of a love affair between a boy from one planet and a girl from another. And the two planets are adjacent so that you can literally climb from one to the other, so they retain their own gravity. All of the objects from one world remain in the gravity of that world. So it’s a metaphor for the complications of love, and then it’s got a whole other politic layer of apartheid with the two worlds. One is kind of Third World, and the other is exploitive-based upscale world. It’s very much in line with the themes that I’m interested in. It’s not that far away in that socio-political sense from Fight Club or Minority Report. They’re all kind of involved in that social space that I’m interested in. This is very much a fairy tale simplistic version of that, and in a way, it’s a really strong metaphor. It’s very interesting. Does that bring things full circle for you? I remember, for instance, the visuals of The Lawnmower Man punching above the weight of the film itself? [Laughs] We’ll see how it pulls together. I feel it’s maybe more like The Crow in some way, in that it’s an intense process when you don’t have an enormous studio-based support system and you’re really viscerally involved. A big part of the production designer’s responsibility is encapsulated in production value. How do you get vision through parts of the practicalities of production back into the fantasy of the screen, and solve the multitude of real physical and engineering problems? Presumably it’s digital technologies that have been the liberator, that have allowed you to do that? In the case of Upside Down, you come out of a building in one world, and you look up and the sky is full of the planet of the other. In the most mundane environments, Montreal industrial sites where I’m standing now, you’re always in this kind-of-fantastical, hybrid animated extension of CGI and reality space. And you have to conceive of that world globally and think of the entire world at all times and not necessarily be making the decision of what falls into the camera and what falls into post. It’s not really a design decision, that’s a production and a practical decision. But you need to conceive of these worlds holistically, and the digital design space allows you to do that in a real way. You’re really building the film space from the beginning. It sounds like a terrific project… I’ve been on it now for six or seven months, and every day we still have to turn pictures upside down and puzzle over which way is up, and where gravity is! I think they’re both equally interesting, to be honest. The empowerment of a studio-based film, if it’s done wisely, is that you get the same independent aesthetic to a big budget film because the more efficient you are, the more you get on the screen. And when you have a really big budget that means a lot. You can really do ambitious stuff. I’m always going to be drawn back to studio-based films because of how the designer’s role plays out. And how much you can do with it. The 5D part of my brain is always going to be tweaked by the cross media possibilities, and the fact that design space doesn’t just exist in one media. And does the 5D part of your brain enjoy the thought of 3D film making? I think designing for 3D is a specific kind of design, and I’m really interested in tweaking expectations, messing with perspective. Once you have real perspective you’re in an absolutely controlled space, and maybe you can mess with perspective, and people’s perception of that. That’s really interesting. Avatar‘s the only film I’ve seen that properly exploits 3D space and gives you an immersive experience that you could not have used in 2D, in my view. Alex McDowell, thank you very much! Minority Report is out on Blu-ray now.
